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Ford 8N Specifications question
2000-08-05 18544
Does anybody know what the 3 Point Lift capacity is on the old Ford 8N tractors?
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Ford 8N Specifications question
 | TomG Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5406 Upper Ottawa Valley  |
2000-08-06 18549
Don't know myself, but here are two sites that might be of some help. Each have discussion forums, but they aren't very active. Asking a dealer is another possibility.
http://www.ytmag.com/ http://www.tractortips.com/
The tractortips site also has specs for many tractors, but a lift capacity for the 8N isn't given. I note that the specs also indicate that the 8N doesn't have a Cat I 3ph. The 8N does have a 3ph, but not to the Cat I standard.
I asked my dealer the same question, and the answer is a bit qualified. For example: Does capacity mean the weight on the arm ends that stalls the hydraulics? The maximum weight the lift structure is design for? Or the maximum load that may be lifted 'safely?'
I'm not sure there's a standard definition for 3ph capacity. However, I'm guessing that tractors would be engineered so the hydraulics would stall before breaking the hitch. Similarly, I think it would be bad design if capacity means stalling the hydraulics. I think capacity primarily is a safety idea. What can be lifted without tipping the tractor up? If so, then the question becomes whether the capacity with or without front ballast?
I imagine that manufacturers are reluctant to actually put a number on capacity due to the variety of 3ph implements and uses. For example, I think the capacity of my Ford 1710 is 1875 lbs. I have pallet forks that weigh 650 lbs. themselves. If I took the hitch capacity and subtracted the implement weight, I might think I could lift about 1200 lbs. on the forks. However, the forks extend 3' beyond the hitch arms, and there is no way I would put anywhere near 1200 lbs. on the forks, even with ballast. Weight carried beyond the end of the hitch arms reduces the weight that may be safely carried.
I don't think too much about weight myself since I often don't know exactly how much something weighs. I think I'm over capacity if the steering is very light. Then, I add front ballast, usually a loader bucket of gravel. I have to trust that the tractor is engineered so that, if I keep adding ballast, the hydraulics will stall before anything breaks.
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| turfman Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 97 midwest  |
2000-08-07 18590
i have an 8n that the capacity is right at 1000lbs. I believe that the capacities on these machines varies widely because of the age. Mine will lift a 6 foot double roller brillion seeder with 50lbs of seed but not 100lbs. that is as heavy as it will go. that being said, this is also the tip capcity of the tractor on level ground. if going up hill it will tip easier. I have done a lot of sidehill work with this machine. it is very good at it, i have 2 other new tractors(4400 and 955) that don't hold a popcorn fart to the sidehill holding of the 8n. i keep having a local shop cobbling the poor old thing together and hope i holds another year. Just for anybodies info, if you win the lotto or something, my 8n man says he can build a whole new 8n with the parts now available. cost...................around $50,000!
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2000-08-07 18595
I don't have a clue what the 3 pt. lift capacity of a Ford 8N is but I do remember a previous discussion on this board where it was generally agreed that 3 pt. lift capacity was the amount of weight that could be lifted 24 inches beyond the lift arms. I suppose that this rating is based on the belief that most cat. I implements have a center of gravity approximately 24 inches behind the lift arms. My JD 4100 has a 3 pt. lift capacity of about 960 lbs. I would guess that the Ford 8N has a similar rating. Hope this helps. ....
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2002-09-19 42676
I had (just sold it and bought NH TC33D) a '47 9N and remember somewhere something about lifting 750 - 800 lb. when new. The TC 33D is rated somehwere around 1600 lb. Of course the farther out you go from the lift arms the more leverage you get resulting in less weight rating. I was moving 2- 14' long 6x6 treated timbers for a pole barn by sliding the ends under the axle and rsting the middle on the york rake and was surprised it could still lift them both at the same time. (Yeah, I know, that is machine abuse but I have a bad back) ....
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The original Ford 8N began rolling off the production line in 1947 following the success of its predecessors; the 2N and 9N. The 8N model was a top-selling tractor in North America with Ford producing over 500,000 units before 1964. The fact that these tractors are still running today is a testament to how well built they are.
We have a completely restored 1949 Ford 8N which we still put to work around our property. After 61 years of working the fields our unit still does all the things we want it too. We typically limit the 8N to cutting grass and bush-hogging the harsher sections of our forest but under the right circumstances it can handle anything that our other tractors can.
In 2009 New Holland reintroduced the iconic Ford 8N under its boomer series of tractors. The affectionately nick-named “Red Belly” (so named for its dark red coloured cast iron frame) tractor has a few updates for 2010 but overall stays unchanged from the 2009 launch. To keep 8N fans happy New Holland styled the new Tractor to resemble the original design in almost every way.
Starting with the iconic red cast iron frame and working up we agree that the engineers have done a great job re-creating our tractor. The light gray body mouldings, hood, and fenders all have the reminiscent lines and style of the original 1947 model. Accentuating all of these design features are a number of chrome parts including cab steps, hand rails, and the ROPS (roll over protection system).
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The original model has had a horsepower update for 2010. The boomer 8N features a 50 hp four cylinder diesel engine with a 2.2 L displacement. However, within the boomer series you can select a range of engines from 28 to 50 hp.
When I was operating the new 8N I found the engine has an excellent throttle control. It was very sensitive when powering up and down through the 2800 RPM rated engine speed.
This RPM selection is easy to follow on the 8N’s simple to read analog and digital gauge cluster which features RPM, engine temperature, and fuel readouts in analog. The digital screen, which straddles the centre dial and fuel gauge, provides more information about the tractor and other things such as the time of day.
This instrument cluster takes its styling cues from retro motorcycle gauges. Just the right amount of classic style coupled with new modern updates. Other features built into the dash include switch operated turn signals and hazard lights. Wrapping around ahead of the dashboard is an optional low or tall windshield to protect the driver from dust, bugs, and flying debris.
The steering wheel is adjustable for driver comfort and has an easily reachable drive selector for forward, neutral, and reverse. I found the operation of this lever smooth and the resting position for neutral is lockable with a “gate style” set-up so that you can’t accidentally engage the drive system while you’re working off the tractor.
The other side of the steering wheel has another lever which controls the headlights. This controls the twin teardrop headlights which are reminiscent of the lights on the original 1947 model. These new lights are super bright so you can see while you work through the night.
While operating these controls the rider sits in the adjustable and ergonomic padded seats. The holes in the seat allow your body to breathe in the heat of summer and are a reflection of the original metal pan seat on the 1947 8N. Other comfort features include cup holders and a small waterproof storage compartment to keep the operators’ personal items dry in inclement weather.
To the left of the driver’s seat you’ll find a cluster of switches which control various aspects of the machine’s operation. These include electronic selectable 2WD and 4WD, cruise control, 3 gear selector switch, anti-stall, speed set, and a reactivity switch.
The three gear selection switch links to the 8N’s EasyDrive CVT (continuously variable transmission). This transmission lets the 8N wind up to a top speed of about 19 mph.
Single pedal operation determines both travel and engine speeds on the right side floorboard. This drive system automatically adjusts to match load and work conditions.
Just to the left of the drive pedal is the single brake pedal which has a mechanical actuation. This operates the wet disc brake system on the rear wheels of the 8N. This system easily brought the 3,758 lb. tractor to a stop smoothly. This is good to know when you’re pulling an implement or a load with the 8N.
The 8N’s 3-point lift capacity is 2,800 lb. The lifting and lowering is operated by a lever on the driver’s right side. We found the three point to be very sensitive which is great when you need to hook up implements and minor height adjustments are required. The hitch also has a locking feature to keep the hitch at whatever height you need.
This is thanks to the open center hydraulic system which creates 2500 psi from the gear type main pump. This pump set-up also allows for 10.5 G/min. to any attachments on the front or rear.
You can order a number of factory made implements that match the 8N in colour and style. These include a standard duty rear rotary cutter, rear mounted finishing mower, and backhoe attachments. The front end loader arms also come as an option with the 8N.
The design of the loader arms slopes down on a curve so that it improves visibility for the operator while you’re working on loading and dumping materials. Something I noticed with the loader attachment is that the hydraulic lines are positioned very close to the right side cab step. This shouldn’t be an issue but if you were to miss-step you could cause damage to the lines which would cost you more than a couple dollars for sure.
The front hydraulics are operated using a right-side mounted joy stick with four way controls. The control lever is lockable to prevent any accidental movement when you want it to stay stationary.
On either side of the seat you will find a stylish chromed lever. The right side controls the parking brake which features audible alarm when left on when the tractor is in drive; little improvement over the 1947 model. The left side lever operates the PTO on the rear of the tractor.
The 8N’s PTO offers 40 hp to be delivered to any implement. Aside from the standard mowers we ran a wood chipper on the 8N which easily chewed through brush with ample power leftover for bigger pieces of wood.
While we were working with the chipper we ran the 8N’s 13-gal. fuel tank down to nearly empty. The large tank is located behind the driver’s seat and has a wide filler neck for easy fuelling. However, due to the location of the tank cap we found that with an implement attached it was somewhat difficult to get into the tank.
Under the gas-shock lifted hood the 8N has a very practical design. Everything is easily accessible and therefore serviceable. You can check the oil level without lifting the hood or inspect fuel and other filters as well as perform simple maintenance with little hassle. Other simple maintenance features include being able to check the transmission, rear axle, and hydraulic system fluid levels using a dip stick located on the rear of the Tractor.
Also on the rear is the 8N’s heavy duty rear axle. This drive axle features induction-hardened cast iron housings which easily take the lift capacity of 2,800 lb.
On this and the front axles the boomer has on-the-fly locking differential capability to give you improved traction when you need it. This is done using the heel pedal on the right side. The increased traction helped us move around in the snow during our test.
Also aiding in controlling the unit during our test was the 8N’s hydrostatic power steering. The steering pump is separate from the main pump so you never experience any power loss when running other hydraulic implements.
Depending on what you use your tractor for New Holland offers a selection of options for the 8N. These include optional rear work lights, diamond plated flooring, canopy-less lights, front red grill guard, and chrome options for nearly every bit of exposed metal (exhausts, rims, levers, etc…).
The new 8N is a bit larger than the original one and in total it measures in at 122 in. in length with the 3-point horizontal, 68.3 in. minimum width, and 97.4 in. high with the roll bar upright. The unit has a ground clearance of 12.3 in.
New Holland has brought back an icon in North American farming for the new millennium. Between styling and technology updates this unit is ready to do the work as well as warm some nostalgic hearts.
Hydraulic lift capacity for 1949 8N
Greetings from a happy new 1949 8N owner! I am currently looking at purchasing a used Walco rotary mower from a neighbour and am curious if the old girl can handle it. It is a 6" Walco Whistler and from the spec sheet appears to weigh 672 lbs (http://www.walcoequipment.com/file/mowers-rotary_walco_ l1.pdf). Will this work with my 8N?
FYI .. Following all of your advice on this forum, I recently started to change the seal on the PTO, as it was leaking. After taking her apart, I could not remove the seal as it was on there good. Took down to my local dealer and they could not get it off with a 50 tonne press and lots of heat! At this point, due to the fact the bearings were shot and it was a 1 1/8" shaft, ( and I figured maybe they overheated it and weakened the metal!), I took Soundguys' advice and replaced the whole shaft for $120, which I would have spent half on for parts on the old PTO. I now have a brand spanking new1 3/8" pto shaft. I cleaned all the sludge out of the system with the help of some good advice from Steve in Texas, cleaned her out with a few gallons of Diesel and by hand, removed 60 years of sludge, filled her up with some good new oil. Hydraulics working strong again! Thanks all for your great wisdom and advice. I have never worked on a tractor prior to this in my life. A very satisfying experience!
John from Nova Scotia
Loader capacity 8n ford lift
Ford 703 (19-97) Front End Loader Specs
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Compatible Tractors
Tractor models ..................... Ford NAA, 8N, 600/800 series
Front tires ..................... 6.0x16
Rear tires ..................... 10.0x28
Hydraulic system flow, gpm (lpm) ..................... 5.0 (19.0)
Hydraulic pressure, bar (psi) ..................... 124 (1800)
Loader
Loader model ..................... Ford 19-97 (703 series)
Attachment control type ..................... Mechanical
Lift cylinder (number and type) ..................... Two, Double action
Lift cylinder length (extended/retracted), in (mm) ..................... 70.13/40.38 (1775/1022)
Lift cylinder stroke, in (mm) ..................... 29.8 (755)
Lift cylinder diameter (piston/rod), in (mm) ..................... 2.0/1.38 (51.0/35.0)
Bucket cylinder (number and type) ..................... Two, Double action
Bucket cylinder length (extended/retracted), in (mm) ..................... 59.5/39.5 (1505/1000)
Bucket cylinder stroke, in (mm) ..................... 20.0 (506)
Bucket cylinder diameter (piston/rod), in (mm) ..................... 2.0/1,25 (51.0/31.5)
Weight, lbs (kg) ..................... 850 (385)
Standard Material Buckets
Width, in (mm) ..................... 48 (1220)
Inside Height, in (mm) ..................... 18 (455)
Depth, in (mm) ..................... 19 (480)
Capacity (Struck), cu.ft (m3) ..................... 6,0 (0,17)
Capacity (Heaped), cu.ft (m3) ..................... 7,5 (0,21)
Weight, lbs (kg) ..................... 230 (105)
Width, in (mm) ..................... 60 (1520)
Inside Height, in (mm) ..................... 18 (455)
Depth, in (mm) ..................... 19 (480)
Capacity (Struck), cu.ft (m3) ..................... 7,5 (0,21)
Capacity (Heaped), cu.ft (m3) ..................... 9,5 (0,27)
Weight, lbs (kg) ..................... 260 (118)
Width, in (mm) ..................... 73 (1860)
Inside Height, in (mm) ..................... 26.8 (678)
Depth, in (mm) ..................... 25.5 (645)
Capacity (Struck), cu.ft (m3) ..................... 16.9 (0.48)
Capacity (Heaped), cu.ft (m3) ..................... 20.3 (0.58)
Weight, lbs (kg) ..................... 365 (165)
Light Material Buckets
Width, in (mm) ..................... 68 (1720)
Inside Height, in (mm) ..................... 25.5 (645)
Depth, in (mm) ..................... 21.1 (535)
Capacity (Struck), cu.ft (m3) ..................... 13.5 (0.38)
Capacity (Heaped), cu.ft (m3) ..................... 16.0 (0.46)
Weight, lbs (kg) ..................... 410 (186)
Width, in (mm) ..................... 78 (1970)
Inside Height, in (mm) ..................... 29 (734)
Depth, in (mm) ..................... 25 (633)
Capacity (Struck), cu.ft (m3) ..................... 18,3 (0,52)
Capacity (Heaped), cu.ft (m3) ..................... 23,1 (0,66)
Weight, lbs (kg) ..................... 525 (239)
Ford 19-97 Loader Dimensions
Maximum lift height, in (mm) ..................... 162 (4100)
Clearance, bucket dumped, in (mm) ..................... 102 (2580)
Reach at maximum lift height with bucket dumped, in (mm) ..................... 26 (658)
Maximum dumping angle, degrees ..................... 46
Clearance, bucket level, in (mm) ..................... 130 (3290)
Maximum digging depth, in (mm) ..................... 4 (101)
Height to top of loader post, in (mm) ..................... 65 (1645)
Ford 19-97 Loader Operating Specifications
Breakaway lift capacity, lbs (kg) ..................... 2500 (1134)
Rated load at full lift, lbs (kg) ..................... 1000 (455)
Maximum load at full lift, lbs (kg) ..................... 1200 (546)
Cycle Times
Raising time, sec ..................... 4,5
Lowering time, sec ..................... 2,5
Bucket dump time, sec ..................... 2,5
Bucket return time, sec ..................... 1,5
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