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The Spectacular Spider-Man #202 Values
Characters: Spider-Man [Peter Parker]; Venom [Eddie Brock]; Carnage; Shriek
Pencils: Sal Buscema (signed)
Inks: Sal Buscema (signed)
Characters: Spider-Man [Peter Parker]; Firestar [Angelica Jones]; Black Cat [Felicia Hardy]; Cloak [Tyrone Johnson]; Doctor Michael Morbius; Venom [Eddie Brock]; Captain America [Steve Rogers; cameo]; Mary Jane Watson-Parker; Villains: Carnage [Cletus Kasady]; Carrion; Shriek; Demogoblin; Doppelganger
Script: J. M. DeMatteis
Pencils: Sal Buscema
Inks: Sal Buscema
Letters: Joe Rosen
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Issue(s): Spectacular Spider-Man #202
Cover Date: Jul 93
Title: "The turning point!"
J.M. DeMatteis - Writer
Sal Buscema - Penciler
Sal Buscema - Inker
Rob Tokar - Editor
This title is "The turning point!", but don't be fooled. We are only on part nine (!) of fourteen (!). I guess the turning point might be that Captain America shows up at the end...
...but that feels more like a tipping point (i.e., "This book can't hold any more characters! We're going to sink!").
Ok, i skipped right to the end of this issue. Does that mean that nothing else of importance happens? Um, basically yes. We have the same rehashing of the kill/no kill debate, more inconclusive fights between the heroes and villains, more scenes of Mary Jane sitting around smoking and worried about Peter, etc.. The only new information is about Shriek, confirming that she is behind all the rioting: ""I can take all the little bedbugs crawling around inside my head -- and transmit them out to anyone who's close to me". This ability is amplified by being near Carnage and soaking up "his sick vibes".
Beyond that, to DeMatteis' credit he gets some mileage out of the idea that Firestar, as a younger hero, looks up to Spider-Man. So when Spider-Man has a(nother) crisis of faith and tells her to use her fire powers to kill Carnage, she reluctantly does it. But Spidey eventually calls her off and the debating continues and the villains escape.
Quality Rating: D
Historical Significance Rating: 1
Chronological Placement Considerations: This is part nine of Maximum Carnage. Part ten is in Web of Spider-Man #103.
- Carnage and Shriek manage to take Venom prisoner and they also take the sonic gun that he dropped in Spider-Man #36.
Crossover: Maximum Carnage
Continuity Insert? N
My Reprint: N/A
Inbound References (1):show
Ugh this storyline... fnord I hope you take a few days off after this. You deserve it :)
Actually, knowing how you often archive these stories, I sort of wish you had just bought the trade and lumped the entire story into one entry. No one should be forced to hunt down this story by it's individual entries.
Cap showing up at the end was a great last page reveal. Very Captain America, though it doesn't excuse Maximum Carnage for being extended well past its natural lifespan.
During most large scale stories the writers will write out intervention by the Avengers or Fantastic Four on the grounds that they're "out of town" or something. This makes it even cooler and legitimately unexpected when an A-lister actually does show up like here or when the F4 showed up in the last part of Revenge of the Sinister Six.
There weren't enough super heroes in this crossover. I think they forgot to include Annex and Nightwatch.
Ummm, Mquinn1976... Nightwatch *will* appear later in this storyline :D
haha....i stand corrected in the very next part, too. Then I'll just lament that Sleepwalker didn't make an appearance. :D
Maximum Carnage is one of those stories like Acts of Vengeance: pretty crappy, but with enough good ideas shining through to make me interested in a redux.
Carnage getting a bunch of other killers together and transforming New York in a superhero warzone? Pretty cool idea. (Perhaps say he picked this moment specifically because the FF and the Avengers were out of town? Perhaps give him an ally who can put a forcefield around the city to keep them out?) Spidey having to team up with more violent superheroes out of necessity, forced to question whether he should kill Carnage? Sounds good. And Cap turning up as a moment of hope is a pretty good use of your Captain America.
If you do have to stretch it out to 14 issues though, give us a bit more variety. Spend one issue on the likes of Scorpion and Elektro making use of the chaos to do a heist, or do an issue on the Molten Man being torn between going out to help Spidey defeat Carnage or staying at home to protect Liz and Normie...
How about the Young Gods, Earth-Lord and his buddies? Or The multi-ethnic Yancy Street Gang, like Rhythm Ruiz and Smooth Manny Merengues? Or Red Wolf, Shooting Star, and Texas Twister from the Rangers? How about the old west villains that had been in West Coast Avengers, such as The Fat Man and Doctor Danger, Master of Magnetism?
I don't know whether it's worse that I'm mentioning them, or worse that I've read the comics that contain them enough times to remember their names.
I didn't like the way DeMatteis handled Firestar deciding whether or not to kill Carnage. Angel could have been a generic teen hero in that scene. There were several ways to handle this- Angel could have decided not to kill him because being an abused child reminded him of Vance. Or Angel could have decided not to kill him because she didn't want to become the assassin Angel tried to turn her into. But Angel's history is basically irrelevant for this story- and that's the basic problem with this crossover, there's so many characters, there's not enough room for characterization.
Venom shows why he doesn't work as a hero by trying to kill Firestar just because she refused to kill Carnage. It takes a special caliber of hero to kill a 17-year old girl because she didn't have the "guts" to kill.
Shriek implies that her ability to turn people evil was a side effect of her trip through Cloak's cloak- something that's never happened before or since.
This chapter in my view is absolutely the best in the series and perhaps the only one that is worth reading. The scene in which Spidey changes his mind and screams Firestar to stop is very valid, as the stage entrance of Cap at the end is a nice climax.
Personally, I thought Spider-Man and Firestar were infuriating this issue, especially Firestar's line that continuing to blast Carnage would have been the biggest mistake of her life. And then the first page of next issue shows multiple corpses from Carnage's latest rampage.
This is certainly the most interesting issue of this interminable story. Unfortunately, the moral position it advances is completely insane: you should never, ever kill someone, even if that's the only way to prevent that person from going on to kill hundreds of others. It's a moral code that's only really ever existed in comic books, and I find it hard to believe that DeMatteis or anyone else involved sincerely believes it.
@Keaton- DeMatteis is a pacifist.
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The Spectacular Spider-Man comic books issue 202
Australian Price Variant. $1.95 cover price. "The Turning Point!" Maximum Carnage Part 9 of 14. Guest-starring Cloak and Firestar. Script by J.M. DeMatteis. Pencils and Inks by Sal Buscema. Cover by Sal Buscema. Story continues from Spider-Man 36. To the utter shock and dismay of Spider-Man and his friends, Reed Richards' sonic gun has no effect on Carnage! The weapon (that the good guys were counting on) has failed to stop the serial killer! And now in the woods, the next savage battle erupts! The web-slinger, Black Cat, Cloak, Firestar, Morbius, and Venom vs. Carnage, Shriek, Carrion, the Demogoblin, and the doppelganger! But the momentum has shifted to the side of evil. Cloak is the first to fall and then Felicia. After Morbius goes down, the only option left…kill Carnage with Firestar's flame blasts! If this strategy fails as well, then the chances of victory are between slim and none. And Carnage already killed slim several issues ago! Story continues in Web of Spider-Man 103. Cameo appearance by Captain America. Cover price $1.95.
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MAXIMUM CARNAGE PART 9 - THE TURNING POINT!
Spider-Man and his allies have discovered that their stolen sonic gun no longer has any effect on Cletus Kasady. Carnage explains that his symbiote has mutated into something different that the one worn by his "father" Venom. In this case, Cletus Kasady's symbiote is not just bonded to his body, but his blood. Gloating over this revelation, Carnage orders his "family" to charge and begins firing spikes made out of his symbiote's mass. Spider-Man tries to shield his allies with a web-shield, but Venom, Cloak and Morbius rip through so they can fight with Carnage and his minions. As they watch from the sidelines, Firestar is disturbed by some of the allies Spider-Man has chosen to side with. When the wall-crawler suggests that the ends justify the means in this situation, Firestar disagrees. That's when the Black Cat chimes in, reminding the young mutant that Carnage and his "family" have slaughtered countless innocent people and while the pair wants to debate morality, she and the others are putting their lives on the line to put an end to the massacre. With that, the Black Cat leaps in to join the battle. Spider-Man and Firestar look at each other silently for a moment and then enter the fray as well. Meanwhile, in Soho, Mary Jane tries to read a book, but can't help but think about how angry she is at her husband, Peter. Mary Jane is furious with Peter for going back on his promise to give up being Spider-Man for at least a week. Her anger gets the better of her and she throws the book across the room. She then breaks down and prays that her husband doesn't die. Back in the park, Cloak attacks Shriek, wanting to avenge the death of his partner Dagger. He manages to pull Shriek into the darkness of his cloak. Deciding that she knows what true suffering is, Cloak frees her and reaches out to her. Unfortunately, this has done little to change Shriek's personality and she bites Cloak's hand. Shriek reminds Cloak that if it hasn't been for Cloak pulling her into his cloak when she was a young drug addict, she wouldn't have become who she is now and that it is actually Cloak's fault that Dagger is dead. This rattles Cloak badly enough that it allows Shriek to blast him with her powers. Unable to handle it, Cloak teleports away. With her ability to transmit her insanity, she then summons an angry mob to join the battle. When Morbius tries to drink the blood of one of Shriek's thrall, but the Black Cat stops him. The Black Cat is knocked out by one of the angry mob. As Morbius tries to go to her aid, he is struck down by one of Demogoblin's flaming pumpkin bombs. Meanwhile, Carnage decides to slaughter the people that Shriek have summoned to fight on their side. He is opposed by Spider-Man, who is quickly forced onto the defensive. Seeing Spider-Man in danger, Firestar comes to his aid. Surprisingly, her microwave blasts force Carnage to flee. Seeing this, Venom points out that Carnage's symbiote must still have a weakness to fire. Venom then insists that Firestar continue attacking Carnage until he is dead. After a moment of thought, Spider-Man tells Firestar to do it. This comes as a shock to the young woman, but she complies. As she blasts away, Carnage begs for Firestar to stop. As she continues to pour it on, Spider-Man and Venom watch from the sidelines. While Venom encourages Firestar to come going, Spider-Man suddenly has a change of heart. He tells Firestar that this is wrong and to stop. Uneasy with this herself, Firestar pulls away, stopping while Cletus Kasady clings to life. Venom is furious and tries to attack Firestar, but Spider-Man comes to her aid. Furiously, Venom swats Spider-Man away and turns his attention to Carnage. Unfortunately, Shriek is there to defend her lover and blasts Venom to the point where his symbiote is left in tatters. This allows Carnage and Shriek to beat Eddie Brock within an inch of his life. However, instead of killing him then and there, Carnage suggests they have some fun and prolong Brock's suffering. They pick up Eddie and go looking for the sonic blaster he dropped earlier. With Carnage and his crew gone, and Spider-Man's allies all defeated, the wall-crawler struggles to pull himself off the ground. That's when someone offers him a hand. When Spider-Man looks up he sees Captain America standing over him.
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