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Logitech G923 Review

Logitech’s G923 racing wheel features a new system to introduce an added layer of force feedback over what’s possible in prior models like the Logitech G29 and G920. Dubbed ‘Trueforce’ the tech is basically designed to take data from within the physics and audio packages of supported racing games and use that information to deliver extra sensations and vibrations to the wheel rim and into your hands.

The result does feel richer in comparison, although as a relatively new product there’s limited current support for the feature within the racing and driving genre.

Logitech G923 – Design and Features

Logitech has previously sold console-specific wheels as different models, with the G920 for Xbox One and the G29 for PS4 (which is largely the same product but with a few additional features, like a 24-point selection dial and a set of LED rev indicator lights).

This time around Logitech has cut down on the disparity between the two camps. There are naturally two versions of the G923 – one comes with typical PlayStation controls built-in, one with Xbox controls, and both are compatible with PC – but now both versions get the same name and the same flourishes (namely, that same 24-point selection dial and the set of LED rev indicator lights). The G923 will also be compatible with Xbox Series X and PlayStation 5.

Ultimately, however, the presence of the dial and lights is really the only major physical difference between the G920 and the G923, and the G923 is otherwise virtually identical to the G29. The exposed brushed metal of the rim itself is now black on the G923 (it’s more of a gun metal grey on the G29) and the shift paddles are also black (they’re silver on the G29). Aside from that, they’re basically twins. Same base, same clamps, same button shapes and layout, same leather-wrapped rim with the same stitching – even the same blue aluminium strip to mark the top centre of the wheel.

The clutch, brake, and accelerator pedal set is also essentially aesthetically identical to the G29/G920 pedals; the only way you could really tell the sets apart when looking at them is the logo printed beneath the brake pedal. The only difference is inside; the G923 replaces the rubber stopper under the G29/G920 with a new progressive spring that gets firmer as you depress it.

The G923 is compatible with the current Logitech standalone shifter, but it doesn’t come with one.

Logitech G923 – Performance

In games without ‘Trueforce’ compatibility (or with Trueforce toggled off) the G923 feels identical to the G29/G920 (which were not exactly a quantum leap ahead of the G27 back in 2010). It’s still a gear-driven wheel so force feedback is decent if not particularly nuanced, and bumps still make the whole wheel unit rattle like a microwave packed with popcorn. Dialing down FFB in-game can often help tame the knocking in Logitech wheels, although numbing FFB also kind of defeats the purpose of buying a wheel in the first place.

Enabling Trueforce definitely adds another layer to the sensations felt through the wheel, though it does come at the cost of making the wheel even noisier than usual. Trueforce, for instance, enables the G923 to hook itself into the in-game audio and deliver a constant vibration to the wheel rim to simulate the throbbing engine reverberating into the cabin and through the controls. The higher the revs, the stronger the vibration. If you mute the game volume on your gaming TV or soundbar and speaker system you can still hear the G923 itself sound like it’s going through its own rev range – it’s kind of like that slightly distant, tinny sound you get when you go to play a game and you think your speakers are broken until you realise you’ve just forgotten to unplug your gaming headset.

Logitech explains Trueforce “connects directly to in-game engines, processing at up to 4000 times per second” using actual game physics and audio in real time. I suspect a layman would describe it more simply as a general buzzing when the engine is running. This extra vibration doesn’t really get in the way of other more important feedback and cornering forces, and it’s convincing to a point; it does help vehicles feel more alive, even at idle. After using the Trueforce system and toggling it off, I’ll admit I did suddenly feel a little more disconnected from my virtual car. The system is more immersive, despite the fact it makes a bit of a racket.

Of course, the additional caveat for now is that Trueforce is only supported in a couple of games so far. At the moment only Gran Turismo Sport, Assetto Corsa Competizione, and 2019’s Grid officially support Trueforce.

The force feedback system is more immersive, despite the fact it makes a bit of a racket

In terms of the pedals, only the brake feels different from the G29/G920. The G923 now has a progressive spring under the brake that makes it harder to depress the further you stomp on it (the G29/G920 has a rubber stopper, which is an effective but cruder solution to simulate the building hydraulic force of a brake pedal – although it creates a distinct two-stage effect where you can feel the pedal first hit the stopper).

The G923 feels better all the way until fully depressed, when it taps against the base. Perhaps the new progressive spring could’ve been combined with a slightly softer stopper to give it a super firm feel at 100% depressed, but without the clunk of it hitting the limit of the base.

Logitech G923 – Purchasing Guide

The Logitech G923 racing wheels and pedals retails for $399 at Best Buy and Logitech.

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Logitech is announcing its first new racing wheel in five years: the G923 for the PlayStation 4, Xbox, and PC. The G923 succeeds the G29 and G920 and will be available in August for $399.99.

Though the G923 looks very similar to the G29 and G920, it features an all-new force feedback system the company is calling “TrueForce.” The system is designed to provide more realistic feedback through the wheel, thanks to integration with a game’s physics and audio engines. The wheel can then take those inputs, such as the level of noise coming from a car’s engine or the surface the wheels are traveling over, and translate them into vibrations that can be felt through the wheel. The company says the electronics inside the wheel are able to sample these inputs 4,000 times per second and adjust its force feedback motors accordingly.

Compared to other force feedback systems, TrueForce is able to provide a wider variety of inputs to the driver. In practice, that means the wheel is basically humming or vibrating the entire time you are racing. You can feel the engine rev as you hit the accelerator or subtle changes in the road as you are driving. It’s all meant to make the experience closer to real life, or at least more immersive than before.

Game developers will have to integrate Logitech’s SDK to support TrueForce. Otherwise, the wheel will have the same force feedback system as the prior versions. Logitech says GRID, Assetto Corsa Competizione, and Gran Turismo Sport will have support for the system immediately, while iRacing, F1 2020, and Dirt Rally 2.0 plan to add the feature in September.

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Aside from the TrueForce technology, the G923 is not hugely different from the prior models. Logitech says it has refined the stitching on the leather wrapping, the internal electronics have been upgraded to handle the input from the TrueForce system, and there’s a new progressive spring in the brake pedal. The actual motors and gear mechanisms are the same as the G29 and G920, as are the steel paddle shifters, aluminum spokes, and glass-filled nylon clamps.

Unlike the G29 and G920, which had different button layouts and capabilities, the G923 is the same whether you are buying the PlayStation 4 model or the one for Xbox. (Both versions work exactly the same when hooked up to a PC.) That includes the more complete button layout and shift indicator lights that were exclusive to the G29 last time around.

Image: Logitech

I had an opportunity to test the G923 and its TrueForce system in a pre-release version of GRID ahead of today’s announcement. I am not a racing professional, but even I could tell the difference between the basic force feedback systems available in other wheels and the new TrueForce engine. (Games that have support for TrueForce allow you to disable it or tweak the level of its feedback.) I could feel the engine vibrating through the wheel, much like you can with a real racecar, and I knew exactly when I was driving off course and the wheels lost their grip, even if I couldn’t see it happening through the car’s cockpit view. After a few races with TrueForce enabled, I turned it off, and the experience felt numb, like something was missing.

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Logitech is launching the G923 at an interesting time, when racing simulators have never been more popular. All of the major professional racing series held virtual races this year, where pro drivers used similar wheels and pedals to Logitech’s and others, and games like iRacing have exploded in popularity with amateurs and professionals alike. Logitech says it hasn’t been able to keep its wheels in stock for the past four months, and it expects demand for the G923 to be high as well. As a result, it is keeping the G29 and G920 in its lineup and will offer them at a lower price than the G923.

At $400, the G923 is on the lower end of what’s available in the racing wheel market now, but it’s still compatible with a wide variety of racing seats and accessories (including Logitech’s existing six-speed manual shifter). Many enthusiasts and professionals have built their entire racing simulation rigs around the G29 and G920, and it’s likely that the G923 will be just as popular.

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Logitech G923: Meet the G29 & G920 replacement

Five years ago Logitech released the G29 and G920 steering wheels. Since then, they became a go-to options for those wanting a budget sim racing experience. Now there's a replacement known as the G923.

The big news is that the Logitech G923 is the same design for all platforms. This is unlike the G29 (for PlayStation) and G920 (Xbox and PC), which were similar but had some differences such as button layout and the former's shift indicator lights and rotary controller.

Side by side with the G923's predecessors, it appears little has changed. In fact, the internal motor and dimensions are the same. Plus the G29's rotary dial and shift light have been carried over. It's just each version has console-specific buttons, as you would expect.

However, inside the Logitech G923 is something called TrueForce, which has nothing to do with Luke Skywalker and everything to do with enhancing force feedback (the vibration effect that helps improve realism).

TrueForce is said to offer more accurate force feedback that connects directly to the game, with the G923 capable of processing data up to 4,000 times per second and translating it to more realistic vibration from the engine, tires, surface terrain etc.

Whether that's the case is something I will be testing over on A Tribe Called Cars. What I do know is that it does depend on game developers providing the added information. So far the feature works in Grid, Gran Turismo Sport and Assetto Corsa Competizione.

Another Logitech G923 addition is the replacement of the rubber block underneath the brake pedal. Now it's a progressive spring that provides more movement and therefore potential braking accuracy. Every other element of the three-pedal set is identical.

There's also the new dual clutch launch feature for racing games, which is there as a launch assist tool for games that support it. So no embarassing yourself unnecessarily.

At the time of writing, there is no new Logitech shifter to go with the G923 so you will have to use an existing option. But it will work with the Xbox Series X and PlayStation 5, which removes any concern over future-proofing your sim racing setup.

You should be able to buy the Logitech G923 right now and see it delivered before August is finished, depending on where you are in the world. The recommended retail price is £349.99 or US$399.99.

That's not exactly great value unless the TrueForce adjustment and pedal changes are noticeable, but then again prices for sim racing stuff has jumped up since Corony. Subscribe to the Tribe for my G923 review and other motoring and sim racing content.

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Logitech G923 VS. G29/G920 🎯SHOOTOUT🎯 WORTH the upgrade? Deep dive comparison!!

You can spend as much money as you like on a racing sim setup for your gaming PC. I'm not just talking about extravagant prices for the latest graphics cards or CPUs. It's the monitors, the shifters, the pedals. Perhaps you want a full racing seat rig, or want to go fully-modular with the wheel base and steering wheel. Top-notch rigs trade affordability for realism, immersion, and feedback on the track. 

But while there's a big difference between McLaren's top-secret F1 simulator and the $400 Logitech G923, you'd be surprised how much realism there is on offer from something cheap and cheerful in the sim racing world.

The Logitech G923 is a wheel I've been keen to try out for some time due to its popularity. It follows in the footsteps of the Logitech G29/G920, a popular racing wheel for PC/Xbox/PS4, and very little has changed between them. In fact, they're near-enough identical. 

It's no surprise, then, if you're an owner of Logitech's previous racing wheel, the G29 or G920, you'll not find a suitable upgrade path in the G923. I'd recommend checking out the Fanatec CSL Elite or its upcoming CSL DD wheelbase. You could even go whole hog and step up to a more pricey direct drive option.

Similarly, if you're in the market for a cheaper racing wheel, the G29/G920 make for a great, PC-friendly options that have come down in price significantly since the launch of the G923.

Importantly in this case, though, the Logitech G923 can be considered affordable. For that, it sticks to its roots with a twin motor force feedback construction. It's not quite a direct drive or even belt-driven wheel base, but it's got kick where you want it around the corners or over bumpy terrain. You'll know when a tyre is clipping the outer edge of the curb, or when your left rear clips the grass—it's that level of fine-grain feedback you'll need to nail lap times at the ragged edge of sim-racing.

Logitech G923 specs

Wheel: Anodized aluminium/leather wheel with steel steering shaft and rear shifters
Base: 
Dual-motor geared force feedback
Pedals: 
Tri-pedal unit with carpet grip system
Movement: 900-degree
Price: $400 (£350)

The G923 certainly hits that sweet spot of enough... what's the best word... womp? It throws the wheel around some, is what I mean. There's also enough resistance there to mimic the racing experience and keep you close to the track. in a way that you simply can't experience without decent force feedback. It's not going to throw you around corners quite like some more expensive kits, but at the same time the G923 isn't scared of dragging your wheel off course as you're careening out of a corner.

The benefit of this wheel over some others is that, despite being relatively new, it benefits from the many G-series wheels before it. Most games recognise the wheel natively and will set the controls accordingly, but for those that don't there are tons of helpful guides on how to do so, either for the G923 or the G29 and G920. F1 2019 was the only game I had to hop into the options menu to setup, and I simply followed these guidelines from Reddit for the G29.

The Logitech G923 is much more of a competitive racing wheel than you'd expect.

One of the few changes with the G923 over its predecessor is the introduction of TrueForce, a software feature that translates in-game physics more accurately from game to wheel.

How to explain TrueForce in action... it's sort of like a low humming as you glide over the track, which translates the finer features of the track into your wheel. I'd say it does feel like driving a car, at least more so than with it disabled, although it doesn't feel like it's usable information when racing. I enjoy the feel of it, it's just limited in scope, and that's both in terms of on-track feedback and support. TrueForce is currently supported in just seven games:

Project Cars 3, Assetto Corsa Competizione, Automobilista 2, GRID (2019), iRacing, Monster Truck Championship, and Snowrunner.

As a way of differentiating the G923 from its predecessors, perhaps that's not all that convincing. As I mentioned, if it's an upgrade from the G29 or G920 you're looking for, this isn't it. 

For new super licensees and growing gearheads there's an well-rounded package here, though. The G923 is well-built: the rear may be plastic but the metal and leather finish on the wheel itself brings about longevity where it counts. Unfortunately, the inclusion of leather does mean this product isn't vegan. 

The shifter paddles (flappy paddles) feel responsive and mechanically satisfying, too. My only concern with the construction is with the way the wheel attaches to a desk or frame. It's not the most stable design, depending on your desk, and keeping it firmly planted can mean cranking the latches down pretty tight.

The maximum depth of the mounting system is 3.5 cm, with the plastic extension clips removed, so if your desk is thicker than that you'll either have to screw the wheel in using the two threaded holes on the underside of the unit, or attach a thinner board and clamp that to your desk through other means.

Perhaps the best bit about the G923 package though is that it's more than a racing wheel and wheelbase. It's a set of three pedals, too, and really solid ones at that. I was pretty taken aback at the quality of these pedals the first time I used them, they have all the makings of higher-end pedals where it counts.

The accelerator delivers a decent linear press with a snappy return to keep it glued to your foot, while the clutch brings similarly swift response with increasing tension as you depress the pedal—enough to create a faux bite point. The brake pedal, however, is the highlight of the three. Slightly tweaked from the G920 and G29 design, a progressive spring design requires serious stomp power to use. So much so that the units carpet grip system is something of a necessity for serious racing, and you'll want to consider a chair with lockable castors to keep you firmly in place and gunning for position in-game.

The pedals only add to what I feel is an already impressive package in the G923. An all-rounder like no other, you're getting a wheel that not only feels great, it plays great too. I've failed up until this point to mention this wheel is simply great for racing. It's not some tiny, gimmicky wheel that can nary stand up to a controller. It's built for racing games. It makes the racing game experience addictive as heck, as I've waxed lyrical about already, but it will also allow you to be more accurate, faster with any luck, when racing.

If you're a motorsport fan, a lapsed virtual racer, or a gamer looking to broaden your horizons with sim racing, the Logitech G923 is much more of a competitive racing wheel than you'd expect, and with a competitive price tag to match. Similarly, though, it's still worth checking out the G29 and G920 while they're still available, simply because they're much of the same for less cash.

Logitech G923 racing wheel review

From the brake pedal to the force feedback motors, the Logitech G923 racing wheel delivers at a grade that is hard to match at this price tag. Through and through, it delivers an experience that is at least comparable with pricier, more modular sets.

Jacob earned his first byline writing for his own tech blog from his hometown in Wales in 2017. From there, he graduated to professionally breaking things at PCGamesN, where he would later win command of the kit cupboard as hardware editor. Nowadays, as senior hardware editor at PC Gamer, he spends his days reporting on the latest developments in the technology and gaming industry. When he's not writing about GPUs and CPUs, you'll find him trying to get as far away from the modern world as possible by wild camping.

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