Rust repair rear window channel

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I&#;ve decided to remove my rear window glass, clean up the channel, and have Safelite come out and re-install it.&nbsp My car came with no trim around the rear window.

I&#;ve never removed glass before, and I&#;ve never done body work.&nbsp I&#;m pretty good with things mechanical, and generally stay away from things artistic, which is what I consider body work and painting to be.

A good friend told me to clean up the channel, and put two or three very light coats of a 2-part epoxy primer on it prior to calling for installation.&nbsp I had some trouble finding a 2-part primer in a rattle can, but it&#;s on the way now.&nbsp I used methyl ethyl ketone to soften the butyl and break the bond on the glass, and removed it without incident.

I started cleaning the channel, and found rust in a few spots.&nbsp I also found lead, but I guess that&#;s factory.&nbsp I&#;ve been scraping and wire-wheeling the area, and it is taking time.&nbsp When I started wire-wheeling the rust, the rust color disappeared, but there is still a dark area.&nbsp I have found that with some perseverance, I can make it shiny.&nbsp Here&#;s what I mean.



The dark area is what I&#;m working on now.&nbsp It&#;s darker than it looks in the picture.

Another friend came by and told me that in the first place, I don&#;t need to do all that; that Safelite will take care of it and it will be fine.&nbsp In the second place, that dark area won&#;t matter if I spray primer on it; the primer will stick as well to it as it will to a shiny area.&nbsp I&#;m worried that it&#;s still rust, and I don&#;t like the idea of painting over it.&nbsp If I don&#;t understand something, I like to err on the side of caution.

I don&#;t know whether I trust my second friend&#;s advice as much as my first one&#;s, so here are my questions:
    1.&nbsp Is the prep work that I&#;m doing necessary?
    2.&nbsp Is that dark area still rust?
    3.&nbsp Is it better to have everything shiny before I primer the area?
Thanks in advance for your insight.

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Rear Window Rust Repair - A Rot Rebellion

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Rear Window Rust Be Gone

This month, we are going to document the process of replacing the rotted-out areas at the lower corners of the rear window opening. Puddles of wet, rotting leaves had eaten far into the metal in these critical areas, and it is imperative when making repairs to make sure the weather seal will fit completely and properly into the rebuilt channel. The car also had some unique outer-edge damage that needed to be rebuilt. The corner replacements are available as stampings commercially, but each car is different, so some "massaging" will be part of this effort. The most important part of the job is to make sure the measurements are as close as possible because that rear window needs to fit into the replacement snuggly.

1 After taking the trim, rubber, and window out of the car, we found some nasty surprises. Here is the window channel. You can choose to burn that rubber out (warning: this stuff stinks bad), or use a little elbow grease and dig it out. Either way, it all has to come out." class="wp-image" />

Many home garage craftsmen may not have access to the larger metal brakes and tools that helped moved this process along at the Wise Guyz shop. The art of fabricating and fine-tuning the replacement pieces that are not available commercially will likely require the use of some specialized equipment to be done properly, though a good craftsman can fabricate some of it with care and patience. Regardless, the work shown here can help you determine what you might need to do to get your own Mopar repairs done.

Tools

  • TiG welder
  • MiG welder with wire
  • Air or electric rotary tool (grider, cutoff wheels, drill)
  • Air or electric metal hacksaw/ saber saw
  • Body hammer and dollies
  • Vise-grip-style locking clamps
  • Sheetmetal stock
  • Sheetmetal shear

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      About Our RustReplace.com Window Channels and Patches For Your GM A-Body, B-Body,F-Body & X-Body


      We have just launched a new website for our RustReplace.com rust repair solutions and will be transitioning our content to the new, streamlined and smartphone-friendly site.  Much is already there - so why not click over now?  rustreplace.com is a Belden Speed & Engineering Company focused on rust repair solutions made in the USA!


      GM A-Body, B-Body, F-Body & X-Body Window Rust Patch Panels
      Most GM cars of the late ’s and early ’s suffer from rust around the fixed glass window channels both front and rear. This is due to a combination of design (sloped “fastback” rear glass) as well as fashion (Vinyl roof coverings) and today’s enthusiast is faced with repairing anything from mild to drastic damage caused by rust. In extreme cases new roof skins or quarter panels may be warranted, but in many cases smaller, less expensive much easier to install rust patch panels are a very good solution.
      Our RustReplace.com patch panels are manufactured by us in the USA with locally sourced 18 and 20 gauge cold rolled steel. All parts are primed with etch-weld primer for easy installation and all window channels have pre-punched plug weld holes. Our design of the tooling and the process allows us to sell these custom patches at competitive prices and certainly far below the cost of a full panel installation. Some aspects of our process do involved some hand fabrication, so there may be minor part-to-part variability, but all parts are checked via fixtures for fit. It could be that some minor hand-bending will be required for fitting on your vehicle. This is mainly due to the variability of the cars 40+ years ago as well as 40+ years of service.
      Here is a quick video to show you the key steps in installing the RustReplace.com (a Belden Speed & Engineering Company) rust repair channels and patches:

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      We have designed a system to replace the most common rusted out areas of the windshield roof channel, the rear window roof and quarter channels as well as the bottom corners of the quarter panels. These cost-effective patches can be installed by hobbyists as well as restoration specialists. They save significant time and labor over hand-fabricating patches and are formed to fit factory contours – every time! We include detailed installation instructions along with pictures and tips for a successful outcome.

      Rear Window Rust Problems We Have Solved

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      Rear Window Rust Patch panels for Your GM A-Body, B-Body, F-Body and X-Body
      Our system is comprised of 4 window channel pieces that can repair the Driver side roof and quarter panel as well as the Passenger side roof and quarter panel of your GM A-Body, F-Body or X-Body.  They have been designed in pieces for three reasons - first is reduced shipping cost - shorter pieces are cheaper to ship, our longest is 27".  Second they are easier to install in pieces and the most important reason is in many cases the complete window channel need not be replaced.  So the customer only needs to buy the pieces they require for their job.  
      We also have quarter panel corner patches for cases where the rust has moved up into the quarter at the bottom of the window.  This is most common on vinyl top cars, but can also be evident on non-vinyl cars. At this time they are only available for the Chevelle, Monte Carlo and Buick Skylark/GS.
      These rear window channels are made to replace rusted areas of the rear window channel which is a common problem for most GM cars.  They are hand fit to bucks made from the original contours and fabricated out of 20 gauge cold rolled steel.
      The side channel pieces are sized to cover the entire length of the quarter panel.  They are left a bit long to be fit for each use.  The roof top channels span from the joint at the roof / quarter panel to the center of the roof.  They too are a bit long for fitting.  The channel patches are designed to be plug welded to your existing structures (B-Pillar and quarter panel).  Our channel patches have plug weld holes punched in them , but additional ones may need to be added depending on the condition of your B-Pillar structure.  Plug weld holes are best if between 5/32" - 3/16".  Factory tack welds were 1 1/2" - 2" apart and a bit random.  If your B-Pillar structure is rotted out these channel patches won't work until you restore your B-Pillar structure - the B-Pillar structure must be intact for proper installation of the new window channel.

      They are designed to be plug welded to the inner structure and butt welded about 1/8"-3/16" below the break where the vertical side of the channel meets either the quarter panel or roof panel.  Once you have made the cut at that edge, these pieces must then be fit to your cut line - a bench grinder is the best method to "tune" this joint for a tight butt for a good weld.
      Sail panel corner patches are contoured to fit with some minor fitting on your car.  The rolled edge of the corner is to be fit with your new window channel and butt welded to it.  Body seams are also to be butt welded to your original metal.
      Windshield Roof Channel Rust Patches For GM A-Body, B-Body, F-Body and X-Body 

      We provide a rust repair solution for windshield roof window channels for the Chevelle, Monte Carlo, El Camino, Cutlass, GTO/Tempest/LeMans , Skylark, Camaro, Firebird, Nova,Ventura, Impala and Bonneville  where the rust has been contained largely to the channel itself.  If the rust has migrated up into the roof brow and skin, then our system may not be an adequate solution for your needs.  Our windshield patches are fabricated from 18 gauge CRS and are of a 2 piece design.  The channel patches span the entire channel top, terminating in the A-Pillar corner.  Our channels work well for the 2 door coupes as well as convertibles.  Please indicate that you have a convertible when ordering.



      Here are a few details about the patches
      Our windshield roof channel patches are manufactured from 18 gauge CRS and are designed to be plug welded to the existing roof brace after the old channel has been removed.  A cut line in the roof skin is made approximately 1/8' - 3/16" down from the break where the roof drops into the vertical wall of the window channel.  This is done for the same reason we designed the rear channels - so that the butt weld seam can be hidden once the stainless trim has been put on.  This saves time in the body work phase of your restoration.  
      The channels for the windshield are over sized in that the vertical wall of the channel is nominally 7/8" tall, so it will need to be trimmed quite a bit to fit into your cutout.  This extra metal is provided because it gives the flexibility to form an edge to roll back into the roof skin if some rust has compromised the brow edge.

      How To Order From Us

      At Belden Speed & Engineering the ordering process for our rust repair products is different for a reason.  We believe rust repair and patch panels is not a “one size fits all” business so we are a bit more interactive than others.  We prefer you to send us pictures of your rust-affected areas, but it isn’t mandatory – we will happily sell you what you’d like, but we prefer to sell you what you need and will give you the best outcome.

      Here is how it works:  Once you (or we) determine which parts you need and we have your Zip Code to get an accurate shipping cost we send you a PayPal Invoice to your email for you to pay directly from.  YOU DO NOT NEED TO HAVE A PAYPAL ACCOUNT – YOU CAN USE YOUR OWN CREDIT CARD AND PAY AS A GUEST WITH NO OBLIGATION TO OPEN A PAYPAL ACCOUNT. If you do not care to do the transaction through PayPal then we also accept personal checks.  Let us know and we can send you the information on where to send the check.

      Once the funds have been received we typically ship your order same day for funds received before AM EST via USPS Priority Mail.  Transit time is typically business days from shipment to anywhere in the USA.

      Ready To Order?  Send us an email at [email protected] and include either a picture of your rust, a description of your problem or the part numbers you’d like to order along with the make and model of your car and your Zip Code.  We will respond quickly and professionally!

      We Ship Internationally!

      We ship via USPS Priority Mail.  Cost for shipping  window channels varies depending on items purchased and your location.  When you inquire if you can provide your Zip Code we can provide accurate shipping charges before your order is placed.  We now use our own boxes as this has resulted in an overall shipping savings for our customers.  Our shipping charges do include the cost of the box as well as all shipping materials.  Because we ship USPS Priority Mail there is package tracking as well as $ of insurance.  If you would like additional insurance please let us know.  For $ insurance the fee is $ extra.  The boxes we use can fit a complete set of patches, so it is most economical to order all the parts you need at one time.  Typical shipping transit time is business days.  IF WE DO NOT SHIP BY USPS PRIORITY MAIL, THEN NO INSURANCE IS INCLUDED WITH THE ORDER.

      Email us today at [email protected] and we'll respond quickly and professionally (usually 7 days a week and after hours - give us a try)
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      Is there an aftermarket sheetmetal piece for this, or do you look for a junkyard cutout, or do you have to fashion something yourself?

      The metal around the rear window of my 68 hemi is pretty rotted - looking for options.



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      AMD: "We don�t sell any patch panels around the rear glass on the Chargers. We have the deck filler panel between the glass

      and trunk lid. That panel includes the lower channel."


      So it looks like I am partially there. Any other ideas? Would this have to be custom-made?



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      I think it's silly to replace the entire deck panel because of a rotted channel, on my '70 the body man just fabricated a section and welded it in.



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      Got a any pics? Pretty much every b-body I've worked on was bad in this area. I tried the corners they made and they were a waste. On the last one I did, I cut and made my own sections, looked and worked much better. Biggest thing is making sure it is done so the trim fits correctly.



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      Quote:

      Got a any pics? Pretty much every b-body I've worked on was bad in this area. I tried the corners they made and they were a waste. On the last one I did, I cut and made my own sections, looked and worked much better. Biggest thing is making sure it is done so the trim fits correctly.




      I'll take some pictures and post them - the rust monster had a good, long snack on a few parts of this car (rear window, floors, trunk) while most of it is solid.

      The trim fitting is a concern, yep.



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      www.autobodyspecialts.com in Conn. has an upper rear window channel rust repair part, offered in left and right, combined it can create an upper window channel, they also have the rear side channels, they are however part of the inner roof sail panel, so either replace as a whole or trim off as needed,although some of their parts are handmade, some rather nice, they also carry top of the line current repros, Autobody specialts is a large scale supplier of quality parts here on the east coast for many years, very reputable firm


      The PN#s are MP for the upper rails, MPR or L for the sail panel/channels L/R


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      I just went through this exact thing myself. Finding the part, that is. I ordered the upper channel just mentioned since the only thing holding my upper trim on was the vinyl top! It's that rusted. My lower portion is actually not that bad and can be saved with a patch. Charger Specialties makes the sail panel parts too. But autobodyspecialties has them all. The thing to note when you make the repairs is that if you look closely at the upper window channel, there is actually a little recess where the trim clips screw into. This keeps the trim flush against the metal and compensates for the thickness of the clip. Otherwise, you'd have a pretty good gap from the trim to the roof. I haven't laid eyes on mine yet, since I'm on a trip, but I'll post some pics when I get back this weekend. I don't know if the repo part has that lip or not. If it doesn't, it's not that hard to fabricate up something. I'll post some pics when I get back

      I just did some upper window channel repairs on a 68 I have in the shop so that's why I mention the little lip edge that needs to be retained. Luckily, his was just rotted below that lip. Also, as with any repair up there, mount that trim before you do any welding. Never good to find out the trim doesn't fit after the fact.

      Cheers

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      Here's the repair done. My quarter panel isn't welded on yet, just laid in position. If you look at the very top edge of that channel you can see the lip. It actually flattens out right around the top bend and is non-existant on the sail panels and lower edge. I had to do this at just about every screw hole along the top edge. I also had to rebuild the right rear corner under the filler panel since that was totally rotted out. There was nothing to mount the rear decklid filler panel too in that area. Have fun!

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      Thank you, Gentlemen! Once that rear window is in I can get going on the rest of it.



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      If it's like the pics above and in a small area, then I would cut and replace it. However if it's like the challenger was and its the whole way, then you'd be better off replace the section. It's a fairly easy repair as you could cut a section cut to go with the bend in the corner that lays down flat, then a section thats the same height as the raised part and bend it using the cars and weld at the 90 degree angle and plug weld at the glat sections and weld along the top edge. Having used repop sections and making my own, my vote definetly goes for fabbing the pieces, in the end its actually less work and the fitment is alot better.



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