|Posted - 10/31/2011 : 3:38:49 PM |
| Hi. My bus driver, and good friend, has been having problems with her new bus and i joined the forum, hoping to possibly fix it. Let me start by saying i love buses. I don't know why, but i have just always been fascinated by them. I'm currently a sophomore in high school. |
Well enough about that. For the past 3 weeks or so, we will being driving and a yellow warning light will appear on the dash. We arent sure what it means, but i think it has something to do with emission control, as it looks like exhaust. Well, when it comes on, after about 5 to 10 seconds, the bus will just drop to an idol. This is all while we are driving might i add. At first, we would stop in the middle of the road and restart it, and it would go like it never happened. After about a week, it started doing this 5 to 6 times just in one 10 mile trip. The driver found a way around it by shifting to neutral as soon as the light comes on and coasting for about 15 seconds, then shifting back into gear, which i assume is not good for the transmission because it makes a horrible clanking noise when she presses the gas. She took it to the garage on friday and they replaced some kind of filter in the exhaust system and said that would fix it. Well today it continues to shut down the same, if even more, than ever.
Sorry about the long post. I just want to find the cause of this problem. Oh almost forgot, the bus is a 2011 IC CE maxxforce 7. Not sure of the engine type though.
|Posted - 02/28/2012 : 7:22:47 PM |
Exactly the same with me (age I mean). Small world, huh. And that MaxxForce 7 part is the engine. The 07-current CEs had the MaxxForce 7 or MaxxForce DT
IC Bus CE Series
|IC Bus CE Series|
|Years of manufacture||2000 to present|
|Length||16'2" to 34'11"|
|Power/Fuel||Diesel, Diesel Electric Hybrid|
|CE Series Activity Bus|
The IC Bus CE Series is a high floor type-C bus with an integrated chassis and body. It is primarily used in school bus applications, as well as some commercial applications. The bus was originally introduced by International Bus as the IC ("integrated chassis") in 2000. International had previously acquired body manufacturer AmTran and developed a new body design.
The IC used the International 3800 chassis. The front end received a different grill with vertical openings instead of horizontal. In 2002, the IC was renamed CE, with International Bus taking the name IC Corporation. IC Corporation introduced the new 3300 chassis in 2005, replacing the 3800. The front end had restyled fenders, headlights, and grill.
The chassis uses all-steel cage construction. The three-piece "Easy Tilt" hood allows for easy access to the engine compartment. The body of the CE uses threaded steel frame construction that interlocks the roof bows, drip rail and roof stringers into a single frame unit and 16-gauge steel side sheets.
In 2006, IC Corporation introduced International Aware Vehicle Intelligence Solution, factory-installed telematics system. They also included the Leave No Student Behind alarm system, which requires drivers to disable an alarm at the rear of the bus before exiting, as standard.
In July 2006, IC Corporation unveiled the diesel-electric hybrid version of the CE at the New York Association of Pupil Transportation (NYAPT) Show. The hybrid CE uses an 80-kilowatt parallel hybrid system from Enova Systems with the International VT365 diesel engine. IC Corporation won a contract to supply up to 19 hybrid school buses in 11 states. In 2011, IC Bus switched to a parallel hybrid system from Eaton.
As an alternative to diesel, IC Bus began offering a propane-powered version of the CE in 2015. It uses an 8.8 litre engine from Power Solutions International. As a more economical option, IC Bus introduced a gasoline-powered version of the CE at the 2016 North American School Bus Conference & Trade Show. It uses a gasoline-fueled 8.8 litre Power Solutions International engine.
IC Bus made Bendix Electronic Stability Control and Bendix Wingman Collision Mitigation standard on their buses in 2018. The collision mitigation system provides driver alerts, adaptive cruise control, automatic braking, with optional lane departure warnings and speeding alerts. A 360 degree camera system, co-developed with Rosco, was also made available.
The CE Series was available in two models: CE200 and CE300. The difference between the two was the size of the engine used. The CE300 always used the larger engine. However in recent years this nomenclature was dropped when only one diesel engine was available from Cummins (VIN code C8).
|Body length: 16'2", 16'11", 17'8", 18'5", 19'2", 18'5", 19'2", 19'11", 20'8", 21'5", 22'2", 22'11",|
23'8", 24'5", 25'2", 25'11", 26'8", 27'5", 28'2", 28'11", 29'8", 30'5", 31'2", 31'11", 32'8", 33'5", or 34'2"
|Wheelbase: 158", 169", 193", 217", 236", 254", or 276"|
|GVWR:19,500 to 31,000 lbs|
|InternationalDT 466E 210 to 255 hp||CE300, 2000 to 2007|
|InternationalT 444E||CE200, 2000 to 2002|
|InternationalVT 365 200 to 230 hp||CE200, 2003 to 2007|
|InternationalMaxxForce 7 200 to 230 hp||EPA 2007||CE200, 2007 to 2010|
|InternationalMaxxForce 7 220, 240 or 260 hp||EPA 2010||CE200, 2010 to 2013|
|InternationalMaxxForce DT 210 to 255 hp||EPA 2007||CE300, 2007 to 2010|
|InternationalMaxxForce DT 215, 230, 245 or 260 hp||EPA 2010||CE300, 2010 to 2013|
|CumminsISB6.7 200 to 260 hp||EPA 2013 & 2016||2013 to 2017|
|CumminsB6.7 200 to 260 hp||GHG17||2017 onward|
|PSI 8.8l V8 270 hp||Gasoline, 2016 onward|
|PSI 8.8l V8 270 hp||Propane, 2015 onward|
|Allison2100 PTS||Up to 2010|
|Allison2200 PTS||Up to 2010|
|Eaton Procision 7 spd automated manual||2015 onward|
|13,500 to 21,000-lbs vari-rate spring capacity|
|15,500 to 23,000-lbs IROS air option|
|Full power hydraulic brakes with ABS and ATC|
|Optional air brakes with ABS|
|29 to 78 passengers|
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- ↑11 States are First in the Nation to Receive Hybrid School Buses as IC Corporation Awarded Bid by Advanced Energy Consortium. Press release. IC Corporation. 2006.
- ↑Navistar & Power Solutions International Launch Gasoline-Fueled IC Bus at STN EXPO. Press release. 26 July 2017. Power Solutions International, Inc.
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IC Bus (originally IC Corporation) is an American bus manufacturer. Headquartered in Lisle, Illinois, IC is a wholly owned subsidiary of Navistar International with its manufacturing base in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Established in 2002 by Navistar through the reorganization of subsidiary manufacturer American Transportation Corporation (AmTran), IC currently produces school buses and commercial-use buses for multiple applications.
The IC company name stands for Integrated Coach, alluding to how the vehicles are nearly completely assembled under a single corporate structure. For all vehicles, the body and chassis are assembled within the same manufacturing facility; the latter is designed by parent company Navistar (prior to 2015, Navistar included the engine). While using a chassis and hood shared with International-brand trucks, IC Bus vehicles have separate badging.
IC vehicles are produced at the facility opened by AmTran in Tulsa, Oklahoma in 1999 with a secondary facility in Conway, Arkansas; the latter ended bus assembly in 2010.
Through its predecessor company AmTran, IC traces its roots to 1933, founded as Ward Body Works in Conway, Arkansas. Navistar predecessor International Harvester commenced chassis production 11 years earlier, entering production in 1922. Following the exit of several manufacturing firms from school bus production over the previous decade, IC would be the first newly established manufacturer in the 2000s.
In 2000, the IC name came into use for the first time, as AmTran introduced an updated version of its conventional-style bus body. While still based upon the International 3800 and sharing much of the body with its AmTran Volunteer/CS predecessor, the new bus introduced a redesigned drivers compartment and enlarged windshield. Named the International IC (IC standing for Integrated Coach/Chassis), the new bus emphasized how the entire vehicle was produced under the corporate entity of Navistar (who had purchased AmTran outright in 1995). To distinguish the International IC from other buses sharing the 3800 chassis, the hood of the IC was given its own grille and badging (marking the first visual update to International medium-duty trucks since 1989).
To bring the company in line with the truck manufacturing division of Navistar (at the time, International Truck and Engine), AmTran changed its name to International Truck and Bus after 2000; its model lines adopted the International brand name and badging for the body in addition to the chassis. For 2003, International renamed its bus subsidiary a second time, to IC Corporation. After a minor revision, the International IC adopted the IC CE-Series name (to match the FE/RE-Series transit-style buses).
During the mid-2000s, IC began an overhaul of its product line. For 2005, the International 3300 was introduced as a cowled-chassis variant of the International 4000-series (DuraStar), becoming the first completely new cowled chassis from International since 1979. In 2006, IC produced its first small school bus, the 30-passenger BE200. In place of a cutaway van chassis, the BE adopted a lower-profile version of the 3300 chassis. Externally similar to the CE, the smaller BE was designed with a flat-floor interior.
To comply with 2007 EPA emissions standards, IC buses adopted MaxxForce diesel engines for 2007, including the MaxxForce 7 6.4L V8 and the MaxxForce DT 7.6L I6. For 2008, to improve engine ventilation, the FE was given a wider grille, with the BE and CE adopting the redesigned front bumper of the International DuraStar.
In April 2009, IC Corporation changed its name to IC Bus.
Commercial bus production
During its existence, the commercial product offerings of AmTran had been strictly derived from its school bus bodies, consisting as a small portion of its sales. In 2006, IC launched an expansion of its product range. Alongside the existing commercial derivatives of the BE, CE, and RE, the company introduced buses based on a cutaway-cab version of the International DuraStar. The HC was a range of shuttle buses; the LC was a paratransit bus with a low-floor configuration.
For 2010, IC underwent an overhaul of its product line. The FE-series (which entered production in 1990 as the Ward Senator, later becoming the AmTran Genesis) was discontinued, leaving the RE as its sole transit-style bus offering. At the other end of the size spectrum, IC introduced two cutaway-cab buses derived from the International TerraStar truck. Slotted below the HC, the AC was a commercial shuttle bus, while the AE marked the first cutaway-cab school bus produced by the company. While using a smaller truck line for a donor chassis, the AE was offered in a higher seating capacity than the BE, up to 36 passengers.
In a branding change, from 2010 onward, Navistar badged the International 3200 (the cutaway-cab version of the DuraStar) as an IC, regardless of body manufacturer. The IC "wing" logo was revised slightly in 2013 for 2014 production (with Navistar script added to the emblem and to the rear bumper).
In response to the failure of its EGR emissions strategy to meet emissions standards, Navistar began to phase out MaxxForce diesel engines in favor of Cummins-produced engines. In the CE, the Cummins ISB6.7 was introduced as an option for 2014 production, becoming the standard engine for 2015. For the RE, the MaxxForce DT was replaced by a Cummins L9 diesel, with a Cummins B6.7 introduced during 2018.
In the mid-2010s, IC centralized production around school buses. After 2014, the AE/AC, BE, and LC were discontinued. For 2018, the HC was replaced by the TC (as the MV replaced the DuraStar); within the shuttle bus segment, IC reverted to a role of chassis provider, no longer producing completely-bodied vehicles.
Alongside the TC medium-duty cutaway cab, IC Bus currently produces the CE and RE-series as school buses/MFSABs (activity buses); both model lines are also offered in commercial applications (derived from the school bus bodies).
In the United States, Navistar was the sole diesel engine manufacturer to pursue the use of exhaust gas recirculation (EGR) to control diesel emissions rather than selective catalytic reduction (SCR). The company claimed EGR posed an advantage in overall fluid economy (measuring combined diesel + urea consumption), although separate testing resulted in an advantage with SCR.
In 2015, IC debuted its first alternative-fuel vehicle, showing a propane-powered CE-Series with a PSI 8.8L V8 engine. In 2016, the same engine was introduced in a gasoline-fueled configuration.
- Model designations
Prior to 2010, IC used the following nomenclature (on school buses) to designate the engine type; subsequently, only the model prefix has been used.
|Diesel Engine Configuration||BE-Series||CE-Series||FE-Series||RE-Series|
(i.e. T444E, VT365, MF7)
(i.e. DT466, MFDT)
|IC Bus Product Line (School Buses)|
|Model Name||Production Date||Assembly Location||Chassis Configuration |
|Vehicle type||Seating Capacity||Notes|
|2010–2015. AE 2015 only.||Tulsa, Oklahoma||Cutaway cab/chassis |
|36 (AE-Series) |
|BE-Series||2006–2015||Cowled chassis |
|up to 35|
|CE-Series||2001–present||Cowled chassis |
International 3800 (2001-2004)
29-78 (school bus/MFSAB) 52 (commercial bus)
|FE-Series||1998-2010||Conway, Arkansas||Front-engine stripped chassis |
School bus (Type D)
|1996–present||Conway, Arkansas ||Rear-engine stripped chassis |
|IC Bus Product Line (Commercial Buses)|
|Model Name||Production Date||Assembly Location||Chassis Configuration |
|Vehicle Type||Seating Capacity||Notes|
|LC-Series||2006-2014||Tulsa, Oklahoma||Cutaway cab/chassis |
Low-floor shuttle bus
|HC-Series||2006–2017||Cutaway cab/chassis |
|TC-Series||2019-present||Cutaway cab/chassis |
|Replacing the HC, the TC is bodied by second-party manufacturers and is derived from the International MV (third-generation International NGV)|
Forward Advantage Prototype
The IC FE Forward Advantage was a school bus prototype built by IC in 2008 as a testbed of a "flat-floor" design in the stepwell due to the compact design of the Caterpillar C7 engine. It also included some front-end styling modifications influenced by the severe-service line of International trucks. As Caterpillar has withdrawn from producing diesel engines for the school bus market, the Forward Advantage will not see production in its current form since its design was tailored to the Caterpillar engine.
Hybrid diesel-electric buses
IC offers hybrid diesel-electric powertrains in the CE conventional school bus as an option. The buses provide a claimed approximately 40% to 65%[dubious – discuss] better fuel economy but cost about two and a half times more than a standard diesel bus ($210,000 versus $80,000).
Enova Systems entered into a long-term supply agreement with IC Bus that guarantees that Enova's proprietary Post Transmission Parallel Hybrid Electric drive system will be used in IC Bus' hybrid electric school buses. The hybrid school bus project features Enova's charge depleting (or "plug-in") or charge-sustaining systems. The drivetrain is powered by Valence Technology lithium ion phosphate battery modules. The braking system utilizes regenerative braking both as a means to reduce wear on the service brakes and to supply the batteries with extra power.
At the 2008 American Public Transportation Association Expo trade show, Navistar announced its intention to enter the intercity motorcoach segment by 2010, unveiling two prototypes produced by IC Bus. Using the MaxxForce 13 powerplant, IC Bus produced a 40-foot-long prototype alongside a 45-foot prototype. Using wind-tunnel design, the company predicted similar fuel-efficiency gains that were seen with the streamlined International ProStar semitractor.
Following the two prototypes, IC Bus abandoned its efforts in the motorcoach segment, concentrating its commercial buses on school bus derivatives and the HC-Series (a cutaway variant of the International DuraStar).
On November 7, 2017, IC Bus announced the chargE, an all-electric CE Series bus delivering up to 260 kilowatts (350 hp) in power using a Volkswagen Truck & Bus Group-supplied common group electric drivetrain. It is the second electric vehicle to be delivered from the Navistar-Volkswagen alliance. The chargE is predicted to be available by 2019.
All IC Corporation/IC Bus vehicles are produced in the Tulsa, Oklahoma, facility opened by AmTran in 1999. Prior to 2008, Type D models were produced in the Ward/AmTran facility in Conway, Arkansas.
IC Corporation announced potential layoffs of up to 500 workers at the Conway plant (which employed approximately 1,000) in June 2007. Demand for school buses were affected by a price hike in the 2007 model year due to more stringent emissions regulations. School districts increased their purchases of the 2006 model year buses, which were $5,000 to $7,000 less than the 2007 model year buses, and the Conway plant was producing approximately 30 buses per day, down from 50 buses per day during the peak demand. Although the company later announced no layoffs would occur in 2007, the layoffs materialized on January 11, 2008, when IC Corporation announced a layoff of about 300 employees at the Conway, Arkansas Bus Plant. This was just under the maximum proportion of employees that could be laid off in Conway without the company violating the WARN Act, which requires employers to give 60 days notice of a mass layoff or plant closing. In addition to the layoffs, the company also announced a 50 percent reduction in bus production at the Conway plant. IC Corp. officials cited a lack of new orders as the reason for the layoffs. However, the company had recently announced increased production at the plant in Tulsa, Oklahoma. This stoked fears in Conway that the company was planning to shut down the plant in the near future and move all production to the newer, and non-union, Tulsa plant.
170 more workers were laid off at the Conway plant in March 2009. At the time, production had slowed to 16 buses per day, and following the layoffs, "cancellation of a huge order" resulted in production dropping to 8 buses per day. On November 5, 2009, IC Bus announced that its Conway plant would no longer assemble buses after January 18, 2010, projecting elimination of 477 jobs. The Conway facilities would serve as fabrication shops and manufacture parts, but would no longer produce complete buses. The company cited low demand by school districts and contractors during the recessionary economic climate in the United States. "We have to consolidate our bus-assembly operations into one facility," Navistar spokesman Roy Wiley said. "Unfortunately for Conway, Tulsa is a much newer facility." Navistar sold off the Conway property in 2014.
On June 5, 2012, the Tulsa, Oklahoma IC Bus assembly plant produced its 100,000th vehicle. Workers at the Tulsa plant joined the United Auto Workers in 2013. The Conway property was acquired by DBG Canada Ltd., a manufacturer of parts for the heavy truck industry, in 2017, and DBG announced it would make Conway its United States headquarters.
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Ward/AmTran/IC Busschool bus product lineup
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